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Perfectly Mary Sue by Dakotaa Perfectly Mary Sue by Dakotaa
edit: It is 2013, this image has been used on TV Tropes for the past several years now. I can say years ago when I found out I was both surprised, a little proud, and a little bothered because I was never asked about it but it was put up anyways although it linked back so I didn't stay bothered about it.

Currently I'm bothered and no longer proud because I understand now something I didn't back when I first put up this image:

how utterly sexist a term like Mary Sue is.

How much it limits women from having their own wish-fulfillment fantasies while men can write those sorts of stories and they can be entirely successful. Just think about it this way.

“So, there’s this girl. She’s tragically orphaned and richer than anyone on the planet. Every guy she meets falls in love with her, but in between torrid romances she rejects them all because she dedicated to what is Pure and Good. She has genius level intellect, Olympic-athelete level athletic ability and incredible good looks. She is consumed by terrible angst, but this only makes guys want her more. She has no superhuman abilities, yet she is more competent than her superhuman friends and defeats superhumans with ease. She has unshakably loyal friends and allies, despite the fact she treats them pretty badly. They fear and respect her, and defer to her orders. Everyone is obsessed with her, even her enemies are attracted to her. She can plan ahead for anything and she’s generally right with any conclusion she makes. People who defy her are inevitably wrong.

God, what a Mary Sue.

I just described Batman."

quote is from this post adventuresofcomicbookgirl.tumb…

I won't take down this image because people might still come by from the TV Tropes page I guess. I hope what's said here is taken into consideration.

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PurpleBunny19 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
you made Batman sound like a gary stu. The thing is, is a good writer could make a girl based on that premise really badass.
NamikazeArtemis Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2015
You do realize that people call Batman a Marty Stu all the time? It's a trope. It's only sexist if you make it that way.
A-non-mouse Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The thing is.. There's a male version of this kind of character, known as a Marty or Gary Stu, depending on who you ask. It's literally just the same thing but with a different name.
zackcdlvi Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
How much it limits women from having their own wish-fulfillment fantasies while men can write those sorts of stories and they can be entirely successful. Just think about it this way.

Wow. I never thought of that.
TwilightSparklebutt Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2015  Student General Artist
She has one flaw: one eyebrow is smaller than the other.
seionara Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
thre's also a thing like gary stu
GypsyBling17 Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2015  Professional Artist
that mary-sue is justin bieber lol lol :D :D :D
qboz Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
Great picture. I like how you used the link from tvtropes to critically analyse the concept. It's kind of funny there are plenty of male mary sues (batman is a good one, superman may be an even better one) but the unfortunate thing is that the strength men get from their mary sueness is usually an absolute concept; batman is strong confident and powerful in his own right and so is superman, galahad, Edward from twilight etc.

But the unfortunate girls only get the benefits if the society they belong to says so. Being beautiful only matters if those around you act differently, being pure only has any effect if others say it does. The princesses of Disney movies, simply for example, are very admirable but sadly limited in their ability to positively affect the world around them except by example. A female mary sue doesn't have the more proactive traits of a man; physical strength is ubiquitous in men but almost forbidden for women, the drive to confront danger and fight isn't allowed, confrontational attitudes are out. By aspiring to be a 'mary sue' fictional women are so limited from becoming well rounded that the term, meant to describe perfection, is arguably a negative.
Artsygal156 Featured By Owner May 27, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Oh thank god I thought a character from my story was this but now i think she's on the live of being a mary sue and just a normal character. :)
shadhardblogger Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2015  Student Writer
That's classy! :)
BrujadeCobalto Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2015  Student General Artist
oh come on 
YoukaiKaryu Featured By Owner Edited Apr 2, 2015
From the TvTropes Image Picking discussions it sounds like they will remove an image if it does not illustrate the point of the trope or if YOU specifically request that it is taken down. Generally users are discouraged from changing images without discussion, and the rules for starting these discussion requires (at the time of writing this) using a template with the reason you want change the image (such as poor image quality, does not illustrate the trope, or copyright issues). This image illustrates the point, and the page isn't edited often so the possibility of changing the picture probably hasn't been broached and I wouldn't know how to go about it on your behalf (assuming that is what you wanted.)

Here is what I found on the subject, though, for reference:

"Having the artist's permission is always a Good Thing. If you want to use an artist's work as a page image, it is common courtesy to send an email to the artist and ask for their permission (first!). Here is an example that was sent and responded to with permission:
Hello Dalgarra,
I am seeking permission to use this picture of yours for the page image of the trope, Villain Decay. If this is alright, please respond to the email or comment in the discussion here. If you wish us to not use your image, it will be changed, if you give permission but want a specific link please respond.

Original art (from DeviantArt, Flickr, etc.) may be Creative Commons licensed. If you see that, go ahead and use the picture but be sure to follow the CC terms, especially BY (give the artist credit — a link back to their website in the caption generally suffices and is a good thing to do anyway) and Remix (if it doesn't have this it means you aren't supposed to alter the image; resizing is probably OK). NC (non-commercial) and SA (share-alike) are covered by the wiki's CC license. "
~From the How to Pick a Good Image page

"Some creators do not want their work used outside their control at all, but fair use means that we are not legally bound to honor this for the wiki's purposes, aside from the aforementioned restrictions. We'll honor a take-down request, but it's up to them to send it. We're not obliged to chase them down and ask them what their policy is. Fair use also allows us to use excerpts of works without seeking permission. In this case, the minimum needed to get the trope across should be used."
~From the Image Picking policy thread

Sorry for the long post. I hope this helps.
KingBooKirby Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2015  Student Artist
...I don't get your point in the description. Seems like you're trying to make a problem out of nothing, really- I always see Marty Stus being pointed out, as much as Mary Sues, in fact. It just happens that the original parody character dubbed Mary Sue is a female because, well, does it matter? No, because it doesn't matter if it's male or female. Don't be like the Tumblr nutjobs who act like everything is discriminating and side with idiots like Anita Sarkeesian.
Also... she IS really beautiful. Well done.
Kawaiiwolf3 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
{{OOC: Honestly, I think Batman is a Gary Stu. I think most superheros are Gary Stus/Mary Sues. But even though they're Stus/Sues, that shouldn't stop people from doing these things. They just need to be more aware. The thing that bothers me about Sues/Stus is their sexuality. Almost no Stu/Sue is on the LGBT+ spectrum. Sorry, just needed to say that.}}
WinxSurprises Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2014  Student Digital Artist
*Cough cough* Bloom from WinX Club *Cough cough*
Zeanobia Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014
Well Batman IS a Mary Sue, or should I say Gary Stu?

People like Superman should be able to one-hit-kill Batman with EASE. You don't see Krillin roundhousing Majin-buu either.
Kfcnyancat Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014
Females = Mary Sue
Males = Gary Stu
MasterPerryMartin Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014
Does Mary-Sue even mean anything anymore? How can you even TELL what is a true, maybe accidental Mary-Sue against a flood of Parody-Sues made by morons who think "HEY LOOK I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF MARY-SUES BY CREATING ANOTHER ONE TO THROW INTO THE ENDLESSLY INCREASING PILE OF THEM AM I CLEVER NOW?"
Well, you really can't.
Ploobin Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
pfffff that aint no mary sue

theres no golden wings and she cant shoot fire out of fingers

and red hair are you kidding me!? to original!

throw some blonde in there.

2/10 not sue-y enough Pikachu Piff Plz 
Neogirl01 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014
I usually don't have problems with Mary Sues as long they don't be come Black Hole Sues.
AtlantianHuman Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
God,what a mary sue.
I just described batman.

Well,there's always Gary-stus.
Poncle Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2014
Quick note:
Most fanfiction writers are female, and many of their characters are female. 
Mary Sue isn't sexist, per se. Taking the Batman quote into consideration, the fellow is one big pile of sue/stu when his traits are written out of context. Certain traits make for a piss poor character regardless of gender, especially if the writing skills to 'make it fit' are missing. 

Slight Example: Purple-haired, genki girl neko lady. Awful everywhere unless her universe calls for characters like this to fit in.
Lanos-Lovahs Featured By Owner May 26, 2014
you know what?
she may not be mary sue.  It depends on how you portray your character.
Yes, she may be absolutely beautiful, but we don't know exactly how or what happened...
nor have we seen her in action ever
so we dont know yet... :3
SharpClawPokemon Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't really get it. How can calling a character out as a Mary Sue be sexist? Wish Fulfillment ain't bad, but when a story only exists to BE Wish Fulfillment for the author, then how is it any good? And to be fair, there is a term called Gary Stu, going after the male equivalent of this trope; We don't hate it specifically when females do it, but rather when anyone does it. Despite names, gender has nothing to do with it. Sorry, I just felt like I had to point that out.

Also, well done with the art! It deserves it's spot on TvTropes!
Dakotaa Featured By Owner May 26, 2014  Student
Gary Stu is a term for the male equivalent of the trope but it's not as widely known or widely used as Mary Sue.

I've been through so many situations were quick to call any female character a Mary Sue just based on the fact that she had power and/or was the main character of her own story. The term "Mary Sue" has so many subdivisions in it listed on TvTropes itself that's all based on female characters in media it makes characteristics for an accepted well-written female character very narrow.

There's a stigma against female characters in media in general. It might not seem like it but if you were to look a little closer it begins to pop out at you. It can be the most unconscious decision on a production. I'd go into it further but I'll just leave that as is;

Thank you!
SharpClawPokemon Featured By Owner May 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Seems both genders have it bad, but neither seems to show to the public. on one hand, females are commonly damsels and stereotyped, and on the other, you have males who are abused by their spouses and it is played for laughs. A strange world this is, I tell you.
foxcake Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014
I came for the pic, but I stayed for the description. I wholeheartedly agree about the wish-fulfilment discrepancy between males and females. Although "Marty Stu" is an existing term, it's far less known than its female counterpart. Thank you for the link!
Superskyarmy555 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
lucky-starring Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
So many sparkles...
Crush48 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013
Looks like she'd fit right in in a Disney cartoon.
QueenMarine Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2013
So cute
Abyss-Valkyrie Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Haha!The sparkles are perfect!She looks nice though,I love the bright colours here!
FantasyBoudicca Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Mind if I base a Parody Sue's backstory off your Sue's? I'm only using part of the beginning, everything else will be my own work. She's the main antagonist (and a pretty effective one) in a story. I'll give you credit for the backstory.
EmokoX Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Student
Horrorandfantasy Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013
She is adorable , but her personality is so..mary sue ish ( Lol Derp )
Dino-Mario Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
QUICKLY!!!KILL IT WITH FIRE BEFORE IT LAYS EGGS!!! :iconkillitwithfireplz:
immakittenz Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013
xorderlyxchaosx Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Mechayoshi Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Here from TvTropes.
Anceo Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013   General Artist
Me too.
I thought all Mary Sue are perfect but some are more perfect than others.
alevegaliolios Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012
TvTropes says hi.
Minkymy Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012
Oh dear mother of florists.
Zelda12343 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012
Wonderful drawing!
ChromaColors Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
I actually like her design! If you have the time, you should rewrite her personality and backstory.
LittleOshara Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012
Oh and could you please tell me what programme/other things you used to create this piece? Just curious. :meow:
LittleOshara Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012
What a beautiful character! *vomits*
Jking jking X3 - I really like the art though, it's very pretty.
AnnLay Featured By Owner May 26, 2012
I feel disgraced to have a cousin who was raised by candy sellers now XP
Alter-Net Featured By Owner May 24, 2012
KEEEELLL ITT, KILL IT WITH FIRE AND NAPALM AND ACID, AND- AND- *cough* *hack* *wheeze* sorry bout that eh...
Kez-Mani Featured By Owner May 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh my god, her expression just screams "derp". Of course, that's PURE derp. Because we wouldn't want her to be impure, now would we?
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